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Chris Shugart
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The 5K Challenge

The movie pissed off a lot of people.

It was controversial, provocative, and downright insulting to at least 60% of the American population.

The offensive movie?

Wall-E.

That's right, the cute robot movie.

What was the big deal? Well, the movie had the nerve to depict a future population of humans that were overweight, immobile, addicted to their computer/TV screens, nonfunctional, and living off soda and junk food.



Even a few fat activists groups -- the same ones that get really upset when they can no longer fit into airplane seats -- threw a huge fit. Or at least the biggest fit they could throw given that they're overweight, immobile, addicted to their computer/TV screens, nonfunctional, and living off soda and junk food.

That part of the movie was controversial because, well, it was absolutely spot on. The truth really has a way of ticking people off, doesn't it? Replace those futuristic hovering vehicles in the movie with modern "mobility devices" and couches and you pretty much have the typical obese American.

Yes, we are a culture that just doesn't move around much anymore. And our bodies were designed to move, not sit. Heck, some people even exercise while sitting! Jeez, don't you get enough of that already?



Take away movement and the human body just starts to fall apart. That's why a big part of the V-Diet is something called NEPA: Non-Exercise Physical Activity. That's just a fancy way of describing all the moving around you do outside of the gym.

On the V-Diet, you simply go for a fast walk every day. Easy and effective. Studies show that people who naturally get a lot of NEPA live longer and live leaner than those who don't. Simple really. We're not even talking about weight training, cardio, and diet; we're just talking about moving around more.

Which makes me wonder...

Shouldn't we have some sort of minimal level of fitness and mobility? I mean, as humans, shouldn't there be certain things that we should just be able to do?

Now, your mind might be jumping to things like bench press, pull-up, and deadlift goals, and that's cool, but I'm going to challenge you to think differently.

Yes, I'll always be a weight-training fanatic, but what about other kinds of movement? Shouldn't I be able to sprint really fast for short distances or run for at least 30 minutes at a clip without stopping?

Now now, don't get your knickers in a knot. I'm no fan of long-distance running either. I admire those who can do it as a sport, but we know that it's pretty destructive to the body and not necessary for fat loss programs.

But still, as people who claim to be "fit" and "athletic", shouldn't we be able to run a little without wheezing and keeling over dead? Isn't that a basic human function?

No, I'm not talking about jogging around every day like a skinny-fat, um, jogger. I'm talking about having a level of basic functionality, a level of minimal fitness in that area.

I say that distance is a 5K.

That's just 3.1 miles, and it's a popular race distance in the world of running sports. And guess what? Every grown man and woman should be able to do one without stopping.

Yes, everyone.

Okay, okay, professional sumo wrestlers get a pass. But that's it.

I'd say your goal is twofold. First, be able to finish a 5K without walking. Second, do it in under 30 minutes, which is very modest.

Again, I'm a resistance-training nut, but I'll do the occasional 5K for fun and to make sure I'm "functional" in that realm of basic fitness. I really don't even train for them; I just show up, pay my fee, and run. Why not? In fact, on Saturday I competed in a 5K to benefit the Wounded Warrior Project.

You don't have to enter a real race though. Just go to a park with a measured running path or mark off 3.1 miles in your car, then go run it. Nope, you can't do it on the treadmill. That's easy compared to road running. Do the real thing.

If you can't do it without walking, then you just can't claim that you're "in shape."

Yeah, I said it.

Try it. I dare ya.

Hey wait, did I just hear you start to rationalize? Something about "going catabolic" with excess cardio?

Excuses, excuses. I'm not talking about daily long runs. I'm just saying that if you train a lot or think of yourself as in shape, then you should be able to go run a 5K without really training for it. Every human being is designed to do that, and if you can't then you're lacking in that area of fitness and health. So go test yourself. And if you fail or struggle way too much, then work to fill that gap in your fitness level.

Here's some rough guidelines so you can see where you stand:

The 5K Test: Guidelines

Finish without stopping: You are minimally fit and functional as a human. Yay.

Under 30 minutes: Average.

Under 25 minutes: Pretty darn good.

Under 20 minutes: Stud athlete level!



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MikeManos
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I think that many folks reading this underestimate the 5K run. They think that they can do it easily ("What's running a little over 3 miles in 30 minutes?? Easy!")...until they actually attempt it.

My personal advice here is simple: Don't think that you can do it easily until you prove that you can.

While I obviously love pumping iron too (and it will always take center stage in my training), I've always been a participant in both swimming and basketball (just to name a few) for as long as I can remember. My reasoning was that life is about using what you develop...simply "working out in a gym" is not enough; someone should have what I like to call actuall survival athletism behind that physique.

Note: I can't tell you how many times I've seen (and have been embarrassed) by watching some jacked looking dude unable to perform in the real world. In my view, there is something pathetically wrong with an individual that looks-the-part but can't throw a football, catch a baseball or (yes, you said it) run short distances without wheezing. And it makes the rest of us who train for looks too feel "lumped in" with that group...others see it and categorize us as all show and no go. No thanks.

Since 99.99% of your blog followers will never compete in bodybuilding, olympic & powerlifting, this should be the bare minimum performace and/or competition criteria (i.e., running the 5K). And my take here is that if you can do this in 30 minutes or less, then the next step is to move to something else, like being able to swim 500 meter nonstop. It builds MORE athleticism and functional mass.

Look the part, feel the part AND perform. That's real world IMO.

(Great post!)

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nrt
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That's great that Wall-E pissed people off. It's SO true.

I was at an orthopedist's office a few weeks ago, and I was the ONLY patient there, out of a couple dozen, who wasn't wildly, amazingly, how-did-you-achieve-that obese. I think the doctor was actually happy just to see a patient who made some attempt to take care of himself.

North America is generally the worst, but I think the most depressing thing I ever saw was in Switzerland, which is generally a fairly lean country compared to us. I would usually hit the gym at 6:30 or 7:00, but one day I didn't go to work, and hit the gym at 10:00. These shockingly obese schoolchildren were being brought in and put onto cardio machines, where they sort of lolled about aimlessly. These kids were probably not even 10, but they were SO fat that it looked like they might burst, like a tire that has been pumped up too much. I don't even know how to describe it. Depressing.

/ End rant.

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steelechris
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I think the best thing about the 5k races would have to be that you can find one on just about any weekend if you look hard enough. Well...not in Phoenix for awhile, its just stupid to run in anything above 95. Guess I'll have to wait until 8 tonight to hit the pavement.

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Chris Shugart
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MikeManos wrote:
I think that many folks reading this underestimate the 5K run. They think that they can do it easily ("What's running a little over 3 miles in 30 minutes?? Easy!")...until they actually attempt it.

My personal advice here is simple: Don't think that you can do it easily until you prove that you can.

While I obviously love pumping iron too (and it will always take center stage in my training), I've always been a participant in both swimming and basketball (just to name a few) for as long as I can remember. My reasoning was that life is about using what you develop...simply "working out in a gym" is not enough; someone should have what I like to call actuall survival athletism behind that physique.

Note: I can't tell you how many times I've seen (and have been embarrassed) by watching some jacked looking dude unable to perform in the real world. In my view, there is something pathetically wrong with an individual that looks-the-part but can't throw a football, catch a baseball or (yes, you said it) run short distances without wheezing. And it makes the rest of us who train for looks too feel "lumped in" with that group...others see it and categorize us as all show and no go. No thanks.

Since 99.99% of your blog followers will never compete in bodybuilding, olympic & powerlifting, this should be the bare minimum performace and/or competition criteria (i.e., running the 5K). And my take here is that if you can do this in 30 minutes or less, then the next step is to move to something else, like being able to swim 500 meter nonstop. It builds MORE athleticism and functional mass.

Look the part, feel the part AND perform. That's real world IMO.

(Great post!)


Good points, Mike. And I'll add that running out in the real world, not on a treadmill, is very different. Most folks who are good at running a treadmill 5K will gets their asses kicked running it on the road or in the park.

Never tried swimming for distance really, just very short pool-sprints. Should be "fun."

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Chris Shugart
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steelechris wrote:
I think the best thing about the 5k races would have to be that you can find one on just about any weekend if you look hard enough. Well...not in Phoenix for awhile, its just stupid to run in anything above 95. Guess I'll have to wait until 8 tonight to hit the pavement.


This is an excellent point.

Go to your city's running club website (every town has one it seems) and look up a schedule. I live in a very mid-sized city and there's a 5K opportunity at least a couple times per month. Every weekend if you're willing to drive a little. Most benefit some charitable cause. Expect to pay around $20 and you'll at least get a T-shirt from the event.

I may do another Wounded Warrior Project race this summer.

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TFly
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I just wanted to chime in here and say that trail running is a great alternative to the more traditional 5K. I tend to get bored running on easy terrain and as such it requires a great deal of will power to get me to do it. Challenging terrain livens things up and I look forward to such runs rather than dreading the monotony of boring terrain.

Also, mountain biking is an absolutely fantastic synergistic activity for weight lifters (my cardio of choice). Unlike traditional running or biking, mountain biking is highly anaerobic. You're constantly doing small sprints well outside of the aerobic zone and then rests rather than going at a constant pace. Also, as you progress and are able to tackle more challenging terrain, it becomes more of a full body exercise as you learn to bunny hop/manual/wheelie/etc. your bike. Not to mention that is exciting and fun.

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Timothy67
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TFly: Have you heard of the Muddy Buddy competition?

www.muddybuddy.com

It's a combined bike/run race with a partner for 6-7 miles with obstacles...and of course the mud pit at the finish line. Similar to the Warrior Dash mentioned by Dan John awhile ago.

My sister and I are doing the Muddy Buddy this year in Minneapolis.

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markdp
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heh, I could do a 5k on a treadmill in 18 minutes, but running outside would probably be quite a bit tougher... I bet I could do it in under 20 though.

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markdp wrote:
heh, I could do a 5k on a treadmill in 18 minutes, but running outside would probably be quite a bit tougher... I bet I could do it in under 20 though.


Give that a shot and let us know how it works out.

A few years ago I was running a quick mile before or after my weight training workouts. One day I decided to do it outside and was shocked at how different it was. Sad fact is, the treadmill does a lot of work for you. I may not have believed that until I experienced it.

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T-Wrecks
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Hah, true story.

Buddy of mine and I used to do a couple miles at our old high school track on weekends. We'd use the time to catch up, shoot the shit.

Another guy says he wants in, "I do 3-4 miles on the treadmill all the time!"
After 3/4s of a mile, he's winded bad. At the one mile mark, he stops completely to catch his breath.

I never used a treadmill for running again.

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Tirith
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I love how I just did my first 5K yesterday as a test to myself and you post the challenge today. Guess that means I should do another one.

I'd never run a mile before without stopping because I'd been so fat and out of shape all the way since before they tested us on them in gym class. I wanted to see how I could do so I signed up for one to benefit the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. I decided to do it with no specific training and in my Vibram Fivefingers.

I was actually surprised at how easily I got to the first mile and very sad at how out of shape I'd been back in school. It took me 25:39 to do the whole race, but I have 100% confidence that I can easily beat that on my next one now that I have an idea of the distance and my pacing.

Other benefit: The best workout is the one you're not doing, and I never run other than sprinting in basketball or ultimate frisbee, so 1 5K a month or every 2 weeks should be a good way to lose some extra fat until I start adapting to it.

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markdp
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Chris,

You've done it again. I mentioned the Calorie Countdown low carb milk and choc milk a few days ago. Well, the Walmart by my house stopped selling it, and I decided to try unsweetened almond milk. Incredible. And only 40 cals!

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markdp wrote:
Chris,

You've done it again. I mentioned the Calorie Countdown low carb milk and choc milk a few days ago. Well, the Walmart by my house stopped selling it, and I decided to try unsweetened almond milk. Incredible. And only 40 cals!


Yeah, Calorie Countdown is getting tougher to find, from 3 local grocery stores to 1 in my area.

But Almond Milk is on the rise! And I've replaced many of my CC-included recipes with almond milk, and all work fine with it.

Glad you found some!


PS/FYI: Hemp milk = liquid death... at least from a taste standpoint. Don't go there.

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Chris Shugart wrote:
markdp wrote:
heh, I could do a 5k on a treadmill in 18 minutes, but running outside would probably be quite a bit tougher... I bet I could do it in under 20 though.


Give that a shot and let us know how it works out.

A few years ago I was running a quick mile before or after my weight training workouts. One day I decided to do it outside and was shocked at how different it was. Sad fact is, the treadmill does a lot of work for you. I may not have believed that until I experienced it.


Ya I should, I just HATE cardio. I go to an MMA gym every so often and they do some brutal cardio workouts. That is fun, as you have the competitive component.

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markdp wrote:
Chris Shugart wrote:
markdp wrote:
heh, I could do a 5k on a treadmill in 18 minutes, but running outside would probably be quite a bit tougher... I bet I could do it in under 20 though.


Give that a shot and let us know how it works out.

A few years ago I was running a quick mile before or after my weight training workouts. One day I decided to do it outside and was shocked at how different it was. Sad fact is, the treadmill does a lot of work for you. I may not have believed that until I experienced it.


Ya I should, I just HATE cardio. I go to an MMA gym every so often and they do some brutal cardio workouts. That is fun, as you have the competitive component.


Right on. I'd much rather do "fun" stuff than boring machine or steady-state cardio: complexes, sprints, used to do a lot of heavy bag work, etc.

But for me, the 5K thing isn't cardio really, just an occasional test/challenge.

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Tirith wrote:
I love how I just did my first 5K yesterday as a test to myself and you post the challenge today. Guess that means I should do another one.

I'd never run a mile before without stopping because I'd been so fat and out of shape all the way since before they tested us on them in gym class. I wanted to see how I could do so I signed up for one to benefit the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. I decided to do it with no specific training and in my Vibram Fivefingers.


I'm reading "Born to Run" and the Five Fingers seem to fit the bill. A 5K in them is pretty darn impressive. I'm using Nike Frees right now.

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Speaking of running, interesting video here.


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I did a sprint triathlon last summer, and the running was the hardest part for me, but I still did it in 28 minutes so I guess I'm average lol.

The biking and swimming were easy, I swam for 7 years and I bike to work in the summer.

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Rocky2 wrote:
I did a sprint triathlon last summer, and the running was the hardest part for me, but I still did it in 28 minutes so I guess I'm average lol.

The biking and swimming were easy, I swam for 7 years and I bike to work in the summer.


Never heard of a sprint triathlon. So, short run, short swim, and short bike session? Sounds great!

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Yea, 1/4 mile swim, 15 mile bike, 5k run. Perfect for beginners who want to do triathlons. My mom even did it.

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Rocky2 wrote:
Yea, 1/4 mile swim, 15 mile bike, 5k run.


That sounds like a great challenge, with little risk of injury or catabolism. Nice.

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Spartiates
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This should be really easy for anyone who claims they're "in shape".

A "C Team" high-school athlete should be able to maintain an 8 min mile pace through this.

Chris Shugart wrote:
The 5K Test: Guidelines

Finish without stopping: You are minimally fit and functional as a human. Yay.

Under 30 minutes: Average.

Under 25 minutes: Pretty darn good.

Under 20 minutes: Stud athlete level!


I think you're being way too easy on this. A ten min mile pace was the cut-off in high-school gym that said "if you can't do a 10 min mile, you're fat: so do another."

I'd put "Stud" at nothing less than maintaining a six min mile pace for the 3.1, and 20 min is "pretty good".

I'll agree with your 30 min being average though, when we're talking about average-weighted Americans... although I fear in another decade "average" will find itself on the other side of "minimally fir and functional as a human"

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cstephens16
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anyone try the urbanathlon?

i was thinking about giving that a go this fall in chicago with my brother.

i wish there were more competitive events for people that want to test themselves with a good mix of fitness components.

something like the crossfit games would be fun as hell.

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Chris Shugart
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Spartiates wrote:
This should be really easy for anyone who claims they're "in shape".

A "C Team" high-school athlete should be able to maintain an 8 min mile pace through this.

I think you're being way too easy on this. A ten min mile pace was the cut-off in high-school gym that said "if you can't do a 10 min mile, you're fat: so do another."


But this isn't about high school athletes. It's about adults... who sometimes fall apart after high school.

What's your road 5K time. ;-)

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